| Author: newrose |
Posted: 8/21/01 @ 2:56 PM |
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I have to agree with this. I don't think it's too much to ask someone to proofread something they're going to post before it goes up onto a forum like this. It's too bad the citygigs staff have been so unreceptive. Just because you're covering a local band doesn't mean it's a good band. Why support crap music? And just because you've reviewed a gig or an album for 'free' doesn't mean you shouldn't put as much effort in as anyone else...or at least make it look like you did.
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| Author: TheDoctor |
Posted: 8/21/01 @ 1:20 PM |
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This was about reviewers at least attempting to attain a level of professionalism. As it is apparently not possible, I'll leave you to it and look elsewhere. It's too bad you have yet to get my point. Oh, and, did I ever say, "you suck"? No. I didn't.
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| Author: evachristmas |
Posted: 8/20/01 @ 6:23 PM |
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Also known as playing Devil's advocate to those of us not chained to our computers. Absolutely critique the writers, disagree with what we say, but comments like 'you suck' do not raise the level of discourse, cause the writer to re-evaluate thier opinion or even endear you to the locals. Ragging on our less-than-stellar spelling turns this into a revisit of grade school, which, if I recall correctly, was a tedious exercise in in-the-box thinking. Yes, my spelling sucks, and yes, I make up words. Mea Culpa. HOwever, the spelling of words is not what I'm putting up for debate. You want to talk music... bring it on.
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| Author: TheDoctor |
Posted: 8/20/01 @ 9:34 AM |
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flamebait On the Internet, flamebait is a "posting" or note on a Web site discussion forum, an online bulletin board, a Usenet newsgroup, or other public forum that is intended to elicit the extremely strong responses characteristic of flaming and active public discussions. To be effective, flamebait should be a bit subtle (but not too subtle) so that potential flamers will "take the bait." This term is similar to troll, which is an effort to get a reaction from readers but not necessarily for the purpose of eliciting flames. Sometimes flamebait is used just to get a discussion started. (Seems to have worked, yes?)
Let's not take it personally kids. If in fact your idea is to provide an open forum regarding music in Vancouver and you are willing to provide your ideas on that music, then you have to be willing to accept the criticism of your peers. If you cannot, then don't do it. Sarcastic replies like the one from "Jow" or the "Don't hate us because we're not professionals" reply from Evaxmas are exactly the kind of thing that keep this site from being as succesful as it could be. I'm just a guy who's looking for some intellegent views on music in this city without the ass-kissing that goes on in most forums of this kind, be they in print or otherwise. Just like musicians who should be open to any criticism they receive (you think 'Nsync give a fsck about what YOU think about their music), so must reviewers be open to having their opinions questioned. If you're incapable of listening to it, stay out of the 'biz', as it were. Gotta thicken that skin, kids.
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| Author: evachristmas |
Posted: 8/18/01 @ 11:57 AM |
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I've shut up on this one long enough, so here goes
In answer to your questions, no, we don't have an editor, not even for spell-check purposes (see the review by "jow" martin. Reviews are pretty much posted as submitted, with only the occasional ethnic slur or slight on the marvelous Lily Frost edited out.
We're all doing our best here to create an independant site, free of shit ads from Bacardi Breezers and reviews of the latest Britney Spears CD. Sometimes we fuck up. A lot of the time, we don't. None of us are professionals (Read: we dont get paid to do this) and none of us are doing this to get famous. We're doing it because we love music, and want provide a forum for the local music community. Chances are you wouldn't get a review of The Be Good Tanyas, or Hissyfit, or even Rufus Wainwright from even the indier-than-thou Terminal City, so at least recognize we're trying to do something different here. If you dont like it, you are, as it says under every single review we post, more than welcome to submit.
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| Author: dougdonut |
Posted: 8/17/01 @ 11:49 PM |
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Well.....Josephus, ...Upon reading your incredible brown nosed little diatribe about how you might impress the "doctor", I alas have given up all hope, and have opened a vein in a warm tub in your honor...... I promise to come back as a writer for the "Straight".... Fuckin' holy shit........ Oh, and LOOSY meted enough shit to wipe the worlds ass....
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| Author: Joseph Martin |
Posted: 8/17/01 @ 5:42 PM |
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Well Doctor, upon reading your first burst of critique on the critique, I decided to take a second look at my latest contribution to the site and find where I may have committed disservice to the English language. I am sorry to say that in my own piece I found five grammatical errors as well as two American spellings (Not including “Flavor” as that is from a title).
I didn’t even look at my Moka Only review, as I am aware that it is marred by countless examples of literary sloth.
My solution to your dilemma may be as such: After each writer has returned home and completed the task of translating his/her concert experience into a piece that is A) of interest to a diverse audience of people, B) correct in all its factual claims and descriptive in all its objective claims, C) understandable at a grade 5-7 reading level and D) still stimulating enough for higher than thou types like yourself, he/she may forward copy to your email address where you can check out every there, their and they’re on the page and ensure the mental safety of all of Citygig’s readers.
On a seperate note, I'm sorry that Scott enjoyed the Lucinda Williams show enough that he felt able to relate to it on a personal level. I'm also sorry that he was secure enough to make this known in an arena were certain people may be jaded enough to lash out at him. I mean really, there's just no place for personally connecting with music.
I would greatly appreciate and take into consideration any editorial advice that you may wish to give me regarding a current piece, a past piece or this piece itself.
Thank you for your time,
joemartinbc@hotmail.com
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| Author: TheDoctor |
Posted: 8/17/01 @ 8:53 AM |
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If not for criticism how would anyone know if they're doing a good job or not. Not much point in supporting music or reviewers that suck, is there?
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| Author: spot |
Posted: 8/16/01 @ 9:17 PM |
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I agree with you that these forums should focus more on the music.
It's really a sad statement on the Vancouver music scene to see all the energy that's pumped into postings slagging bands and individual musicians - or reviewers for that matter - with nothing being contributed to the community.
Live music in Vancouver needs all the help it can get. Let's get down to business, get out and support local acts and give credit where credit is due. If you've got nothing nice to say, well you know the rule.
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| Author: TheDoctor |
Posted: 8/16/01 @ 1:41 PM |
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I would say, young spot, that there is a place for vulnerability, but it doesn't exist in this forum. Let's stick to music reviews, huh? Anyone who wants to be vulnerable can go join some kinda help group for whiney pricks who need to share their pathetic little lives with anyone they meet. Do you really think we need to have people exposing their 'vulnerabilities' in a music review? Really? Grow up. And there is a large difference between vulnerability and just plain old tellin' the world about your personal life when it's not appropriate and noone cares. Chrissakes. Let's stick to music here, and let's leave everyone's personal life out of it. GET IT???
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| Author: spot |
Posted: 8/16/01 @ 12:04 PM |
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Good On You!
Curse those people with the strength of character to make themselves vulnerable.
Thank goodness we have people like you to protect us from them.
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| Author: dougdonut |
Posted: 8/16/01 @ 11:41 AM |
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Well put... BUT!, Can't you tell by reading the pathetic "breaks hearts of room" intro, that you have got to be a bit of a completely huge sucka to think it's the writing is goin ta get better???? I passed, and in doing so was able to spend more time slamming! There are suicide kits available for weepers, and I could'nt agree more as to getting some better reviews, other than, "well the railway was hoppin' for the inbred celtic fuck you and drink beer to my fake roots band of the week" kinda shite! Oh, and to the "doug(-)donut" out there who said all that yummy stuff about cumming out of the closet......Could'nt have said it better myself! Keep makin' me money troggie, and get your hand out of your mama's ass! (fight club anyone?)
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| Author: TheDoctor |
Posted: 8/15/01 @ 11:03 AM |
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What a moron this Corobutic is. Jesus Christ, I've never seen such a pathetic review in my life. From the review: "I'm going through a very hard time in my personal life right now, and at times, Williams's words hit a little too close to home, but on a positive note, after watching her on stage Friday night, I know I will carry on."
Keep it to yourself, or your friends or your mom or join a support group for reviewers with poor taste. The problem with this site is that the reviewers can't spell, have the grammatical skills of a grade 7 OP student and the tact of a moose in rutting season. Is there no editor? Fuck. Having a hard time, ya freakin' Mary? Maybe it's because you're telling everyone about how hard things are and nobody wants to fucking hear it. If you need someone named Lucinda to let you know you can "carry on" then it's more than likely that you shouldn't. Now shut up and write about the show, not your pathetic personal life, you whiney prick.
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